Mother Nature plays spoilsport
The heavy rains spoiled the debut of defending champions Don Bosco College yesterday, cutting short the match between DBC A(?) and Bright.
Hopefully, it will be a sunny Sunday.
P.S.
It will be interesting to note, how DBC divided its teams for the U12.
Hopefully, it will be a sunny Sunday.
P.S.
It will be interesting to note, how DBC divided its teams for the U12.
Comments
the DBC 12U team B are composed of the remaining members of last year's P10 Champions as well as members of the Aboitiz P9 champions of 2 years back (2005).
the core of the Palaro Champions (born 1993) has no P14 tournament to play on this year, which should have been their ideal bracket. thus, DBC may field two teams in the Aboitiz U16 division because CebuFA is not organizing any tournament for those born 1992-1993.
on why CebuFA does not have a P14 tournament this year - well, there are a lot of speculations but absolutely NOTHING in the form of a decent explanation coming from them. your guess is as good as mine.
Why dont you ask Maximo personally why there is no 1992 tournament this year if there is when. He is the best person sho can answer your querries.
klariks kaayo
most probably you are now raising a howl bout B-14 issue this year coz your B-13 interest is affected. but you did not raise it last year coz they were still playing in the Boys-12 Cup. weather weather lang. lets be consistent
hope you get the drift
klariks kaayo ka
the U17 regionals. Springdale got the right to represent cebu for winning the U15. er, take a look at the Aboitiz fiesta U17, where was springdale? USC won the title, its just a fiesta..but...
All this U15 this U16that Udo this, Udo that......blah.......give me my glass
nata mga ideas and question and waman usahay gamit kay mao man jud ang ka max nga set up sa age groups...d bah nakabantay mu ana?
kinsay nakabantay isang tiil?hehehehe bitaw para wa gubut and naa lang liga sa sugbu hala mao nalang heheheheheh...
cheers
klariks kaayo - kinsa man ang naay dakong sayop. ang nag-pasalig nga naay tournament or ang ni reklamo nganong gi-bawi ang tournament.
your'e telling people to be consistent ? many others here has been consistent about having full-size tournaments for age-group P12 above. the issue of tournaments for age-groups disappering started during the year the P9 was experimentally implemented. on that same year, the U17 and the U14 divisions were scratched from the aboitiz schedule of tournaments. when that was announced during the coaches meeting at sideline, almost all of the coaches protested. why should an experimental age-group be more important than the U17 and the P14. the issue was partly solved with the introduction of the redribbon U14 but the U17 was still called-off. practically all of the coaches protested then as many are protesting know.
you want historical evidence ? P14 or the midget division has been going on since i can remember. why is it that your cebuFA decided to cut it off. what are your basis ? there is a PFF U14 team, yet we don't have an U14 tournament ? go figure.
eric, kamo ang walay klariks. if you can't field a competitive team and you are afraid that you'll get blown off then take it as a learning experience. don't pull strings and deny over 150 players a tournament of their own just so that you won't have to face these teams. most of these players came from P12 less than a year ago. are they supposed to play on an older bracket just so that they can play ? is that the cebuFA policy that you are proudly waving ?
bay tatoy, like i said, the issue concerning the absence of a P14 has been asked many times. first, it was announced that there will be no P14. then, the CebuFA announced that their will be one. however, less than a month ago, the P14 was dropped without any explanation. all of these announcements can be read on the papers.
the coaches has asked maximo why this is so. the answer was that there was no budget for a P14 tournament. look bai, if there is a budget for the other tournaments then why single out P14 and drop it. how did he come up with the decision that there will be tournaments in this and that division but none for this one.
let us forget the policy on qualifying tournaments. the single most glaring mistake maximo is doing is denying 150 players a tournament of their own. it is irresponsible for him to suggest that these players play on a division 3 years older. the fact that we have had P14, U14 or midget divisions before doesn't seem to matter under this administration. again, go figure that out.
you mentioned "P9 2005 aboitiz cup champions".
there was NEVER a P9 2005 aboitiz cup tournament, cup-type or festival. please correct your information
eric, again i stress the faults of the "no P14 policy". what you and the cebuFA doesn't get is that it is not just 2-3 teams that are affected but an entire batch of players (1992-1993). you are wrong in saying that the absence of such a division now does not matter because their was no aboitiz P14 for several seasons. well eric, for your information, the P14 or midget division has been going on for decades now.
you cannot deny the fact that having no P14 means 8-10 full size teams (150 players) have no tournament to play on unless they play on U16 or P15. physically, that's a difference of 10-20 lbs, 3"-4" height difference, and tons in experience and skills. is that how football development is supposed to be ?
dont make it very obvious. its an open secret already. dont rub it in.
he even volunteered to CebuFA (as stated in this blog) to be the Team Manager of CebuFA U-14 (born 1992/93) Selection Team. very obvious. vested interests.
Do you think CebuFA will give in to his wishes?
but then that is not what this discussion is all about. what people are questioning is why players born 1992-1993 doesn't have a tournament of their own when other divisions have theirs. you seem to want to focus our attention elsewher in order perhaps to prevent us from talking about the real problem.
fact is, getting a decent explanation regarding this is like trying to squeeze water out of stone. you cannot produce an answer because there isn't any. that i think is the obvious thing. there isn't any P14 tournament because you and your CebuFA didn't want one. so instead of announcing thru press statements that you are organizing an Aboitiz P14 tournament, just say the truth that you will not have one. at least you are honest about it.
i've made this suggestion before - if money is the problem then divide the budget proportionally among all divisions and compensate for the deficit by asking for registration fees. such an option, when presented way back, would have allowed the different clubs and school administrations time to evaluate the financial situation and act accordingly. you don't just scratch out any division just because you feel like it. again, that's one more reason why cebufootball can't get past iloilo and both negros provinces.
Whats the status of your desire to be the Team Manager of CebuFA U-14 Team? Did you get it?
How can you get that position when you dont event want to reveal yourself to Manfred and Totot, who has been asking you a number of times already for a meeting regarding your plan to put up a "league".
Common show yourself. Be a man. Ayaw hadlok bay.
This year, 2006, the Aboitiz Boys-15 (1991&above) Cup will be the qualifying phase for 2007 PFF Regl U-17 (1991&above).
Hopefully this year, Red Ribbon will still sponsor the Boys-14 (1992&above) Cup this year.
the issue is the absence of a tournament for P14. with absence of a red ribbon P14, that means no tournaments whatsoever for the 1992-1993 age-group. if so, this will be the first time this particular age group will not have full-size games since the time it was called midgets.
jack, the qualifyings for the U17 is taken care of by the P15 or U16 tournament. like you said - hopefully - there will be a red ribbon P14 this season.
but the business pages tells otherwise. a few months ago, jollibee announced intentions of taking over redribbon. jollibee has a corporate policy that it won't directly sponsor sporting events as it wants to focus on wholesome family entertainment (don't bother arguing that football is a wholesome event). jollibee has, over the last 5 years pulled out of UAAP, NCAA and POC because of this policy. when i knew that they were planning a buy-out of redribbon, i suspected that the P14 tournaments will stop.
if so, then what will the P14 group do. if CebuFA had the hindsight, then they should have seen this coming and prepared for it.
libog pero mao na ang ka max dita kabuot kay siya president...and stryahun ra na si max jud nganu ana ug na isturya naman ug wa maminaw,kana lisud na...pero max is ok man uban lang tawo lainun pagsabut ug kuntrahun si max..
maayung buhatun ana storyahun lang ug tarung max,bisag aku nahibung nganu ingun ana ang age groupings...
again, the rahrah boys wants the real issue covered-up. allow me to bring it up again - why is there no tournament scheduled for the 1992-1993 age-group ?
here's another one of your mistakes that had all the other FA's laughing at cebufootball and how senseless our tournaments are. CebuFA announced that last season's 2006 redribbon P14 tournament was to be a try-out for U14 talents that would represent the PFF to Malaysia. and what did CebuFA do - they set the cutoff date at born1991, when it should have been 1992 so that the tournament would have focused on our U14 players. more than half of those who played in that tournament weren't qualified for the PFF U14 team. guys, getting the right cut-off date is a simple matter of subtraction.
again, all these could have been avoided if we have a development program to follow. but unfortunately, certain sectors seems to think that having a program means they won't be able to pull strings and get some favors for their teams, players or coaches. thus, what we have right now is a rehash of favoritism but under a different administration.
that's the problem with cebufootball. what some people can't achieve on the field, they try to do inside the boardroom.
If the Red Ribbon for Age 14 (1992/1993)will not push through this year, I think Mr Maximo will really find a way to organize an 11-a-side tournament for these age groups this year. If he waits for next year, people might develop the wrong impression that he is doing it already by that time because of personal reasons-if you know what I mean.
should maximo organize and schedule an Aboitiz P14 - he should. he owes that to the players and the community he represents. 150 plus displaced players is no laughing matter. i don't believe that the CebuFA didn't know the number of players affected. they knew and they just didn't care. they should not wait for people to come to them begging for a tournament for this age-group just so that they can show who are in charge. responsible leaders does not wait for private meetings with complainants before they do the job they are dutybound to do. they just do it.
kikster, i'd like to be proven wrong, because if i am, then that means we will have a P14 tournament.
cheers.
If you recall the Philippine coach was here to personally supervise the selection of the candidates and from what Ive heard and known he personally invited your players through your coaches but they declined because your team was very busy preparing for the palaro. You should have sent your players thinking his the national coach out of delicadeza. And now you start howling because of your contention that you were not invited. Straightened up your facts ronaldo.
And in your previous post you said that the national coach should have seen your boys and would stand a great chance to make it to the nationals if they were given the chance. He should have seen them in the Aboitiz Cup, ronaldo. Were there any feelers from him inviting your players? I dont think so. So pls. hinay-hinay lang.
the national coach asked our coach why none from the team went to the try-outs AFTER the try-outs. that's when we were informed that the try-outs were meant for 1992-1993 players. the CebuFA announcement of the try-outs, thru the local papers, declared a 1991 cut-off date, the same cut-off date of the redribbon, which was earlier declared as a try-out for the PFF U14 which was actually had a 1992 cut-off date. these can be read thru the local papers. those are the facts that stand out.
again, everything else is immaterial. maximo and CebuFA has already denied the boys the chance to try-out. the only thing maximo and CebuFA should answer right now is why there won't be a tournament for the P14. that's the only relevant question here.
so, let's uncomplicate things. the issue is pretty simple. will there definitely be a P14 (Aboitiz or RedRibbon) this season ? a simple yes or no will do. no ifs, no buts, no maybes - just yes or no.
As posted earlier, the 2006 Boys-15 tournament is the preparation for 2007 PFF Regl U-17 (Boys-16).
The Boys-14 is supposed to be taken cared of Red Ribbon.
If Red Ribbon backs out this year, it would be unfair also to the Boys-15 players not to have their own qualifying tournament just to have a Boys-14 Cup
With meager funds CebuFA has, it has to prioritize tournaments that will prepare Cebu Football in regional/national competitions, such as this Boys-15 going to Regional U-17 (Boys-16).
I know CebuFA officers are doing its best to get another sponsor to take care of its Boys-14 Cup. I talked to some of the officers, they are fully aware of it. Maybe, insted of putting CebuFA down through these irresponsible, unconstructive comments here in the blogspot, we can help Cebu Football by tapping our own connections and better yet organize the tournament itself.
You have to understand also CebuFA takes care of a lot of age-groups in preparation for regl/natl competitions: the Mens Open, Womens Open, Mens U-19, Mens U-17, Womens U-17 and the Grassroots such as Boys-12, Players-10, Players-8, Players-6.
I know, you know that these current officers of CebuFA are not perfect. I think they will admit also they are not the gods of Cebu Football. But we have seen how they worked hard for Cebu Football to move forward. Look at the newspapers nowadays, we get to read football stories week in week out. Players as young as 5 years old are now taking up the game.
And mind you, these football officials are not being paid a salary. Not a single centavo. They are there on a voluntary basis. Sometimes, one officer told me, they have to dig from their own pockets, just to let a team travel to represent CebuFA in a regl/natl tournament
today's CebuFA, acknowleging the financial problems of the community, should also initiate a fund-raising program or enact policies that would make the association self-supporting. as far as a know, no such program or policy has been implemented. it all starts with the leadership. if they say we need to do this, we can't do this, and this is how you can help, then that would make things easier for everyone, because then, we will know where we can contribute effectively, instead of making a generic suggestion like "let's help CebuFA."
what we are asking is simple - will there be a P14 tournament this season. verifying things with RedRibbon is just a phonecall away for CebuFA. if RedRibbon says no, and CebuFA was depending on them, then we still have time to organize one. it's that simple. why let players and team preparation wait ?
ennumerizing the financial obligations of CebuFA doesn't mean much. again, with all these divisions, why single out the P14 as being less deserving of a tournament compared to the other divisions.
and there is no demand that we should not have a P15 but have a P14 instead. the demand is for all divisions to have a tournament of their own. their never was a suggestion made during this particular discussion that a tournament for a particular division should be written off in order to accomodate another division.
so i again ask the same question - will there be a P14 tournament this season ?
You guys keep on bitching why Ronaldo is so critical about CebuFA's flaws, yet you do such shit likewise. So it would be better to just tell everybody what's going on and dont let people wonder in limbo. I guess its part of your job to inform the public.
And Sam dont credit such success "if you call it success" to CebuFA alone, as far as I know Mike Limpag has done a great job in promoting the sport as well, if you get what I mean.
I know money/sponsors is one of CebuFA's major problem, Whats your solution for this? To keep on telling people about your problem doesnt solve anything? Why not have a committe to deal with this and let such committe look for sponsors, why not ask Manfred, I remeber he mention somebody who's willing to finance a tournament.
How hard is it, that they cant get enough sponsors? Im sure it comes down to not just let potential sponsor tell them that you guys needs cash or other sort of help but to assure them that their financial assistance goes to where they are suppose to go. And one thing their surely lookout for is "POLICY" which Ronaldo had been stressing out since forever....................
And back to the topic. How come their is no tournament for P14?
When we say 1992, that includes the 1993 also. The cut off date for players 14 this year is 1992. How well you know that there is no tournament for P14? He should make good of what he says.
so, where is the answer to the question you guys have been hiding - will there the be a P14 tournament this season ? c'mon, stop skirting the issue.
just one more reason why cebufootball isn't progressing and why CebuFA is the laughing stock of the other Visayan FA's.
because players aren't given a chance to play and some football leaders only look after their chosen few and not the majority.
yeah, great job you're doing.
Sorry, ronaldo, you were wrong. We the parents of the try-outs can vouch for that. I can still remember that the national coach told us (with the boys) that the try-out is extended to accomodate your players.but they did not come. Maybe the best thing you can do to know the truth is get in touch with the national coach since your coach is the paisano of the national coach.
when probable sponsors are approached, they will likely view their participation from an assesment completely detached from football - will it be a tax advantage or break for them.
right now, any sponsorship to a government-backed NGO rewards the sponsors by making a certain percentage of the amount they gave tax-deductable. in lay-man's term, if you contribute php100,000.00, then a percentage of the same amount is written off your payable tax. if the sponsorship money is taken from your promotions budget (meaning that it is a scheduled expense and not tax deductable) the sponsore will actually be paying less taxes than he should have. actually, this is similar to the tax-deduction principle that tommy osmena gave to ricky dakay - if he spends php100,000.00 for football then he pays php100,000.00 less of his city taxes.
but those who abide by this method needs to receive programs and policies from those seeking sponsorship. that's what CebuFA doesn't have - a program. if we were to seriously conduct a fund-raising program to enable us to gain seed money so we can eventually become self-supporting, then we should formulate our programs and policies first before anything else.
the money-laundering act of the philippines doesn't allow huge amounts of money to be transferred to an NGO (i think that amount right now is pegged at php50,000.00 or php100,000.00). when such an amount is transfereed, bank officials will first ask the company to verify the transfer whether it is a donation or a payment of some kind, and usually, the companies or donors present the program of these NGO's as reason for their donation. it is thus up to the bank whether or not they will report it to the authorities if they suspect anything fishy.
the point here is that if we expect big amounts coming from sponsors, we need to provide them with our programs and policies to make their sponsorhip financially attractive to them and not just for promotional purposes. that's the reality of corporate sponsorship nowadays.
however, it was after the try-outs that carmona asked why the boys didn't come since he expected CebuFA to have notified everybody. and there was no extension of the try-outs as far as we know because again we weren't notified. for crying out loud, this was a PFF try-out, do you really expect people to believe that we were'nt interested ?
it was a few weeks after the scheduled try-outs when carmona called up because he needed a goalie. that was about the time when the boys were preparing for the Palaro and had graduation practices at the same time. that was also the first time we learned that carmona was looking at 1993 players and not 1991-1992.
CebuFA didn't invite the team, it's that simple.
and you guys still hasn't answered the question that lengthed this discussion - are you going to organize a P14 tournament this season ?
bai riscoh, another thing about policies and sponsorship.
companies, for tax purposes, wants to pay for expenses directly for tax purposes. meaning, if the see in a program that their is a php 100,000.00 expense for field rentals, and they could get an official receipt for that, then they will ask organizers that they will sponsor the field rentals. today's BIR frowns on unliquidated declared expenes and puts an add-on on the taxes corporations has to pay if they see too much expenses classified as donations but without receipts to back it up.
this procedure or approach could be best applied if we are talking to several sponsors and not just one major benefactor. it's a system wherein one donor assumes the field rental expense, one takes care of officiating, one takes care of trophies and prizes, etc.
for this, the CebuFA development program needs to be detailed to such a point wherein all tournaments, seminars, and training expenses are presented with proposed itemized estimated costs. that way, sponsors, upon receiving the program, can pinpoint which activity or part of an activity they wish to sponsor or take care of.
wanna sponsor officiating for 2-3 tournaments ? fine, just give us the receipt from the referee's association or the CebuFA. sponsor the rentals of the CCSC field, fine, just give me the receipt from the sports commission. sponsor the trophies for all tournaments, just give me the receipt from Gaisano or SM. sponsor all pre-tournament meetings, just give me the receipt from Sideline. sponsoring a referees' or coaches seminar, just give me the hotel, venue and plane receipts.
that's how sponsors and corporations think. bottom-line is, if we don't want pittance contributions, we need to present the program as part of the solicitation procedure.
of course, everything depends on the CebuFA if they take such an approach. if they don't, it would be interesting to know how they look for funds. as far as i know, they are still depending on the Aboitiz sponsorship, which the previous administration under coach Ugarte originally sourced. other than that, i don't know if they have another sponsor or have they even tried to have a fund-raising policy implemented.
Hey CebuFA guys, just answer Ronaldo's question, Im sure he'll understand if you guys just explain to him/the community why there is no such tournament for these kids.
You guys keep on bitching why Ronaldo is so critical about CebuFA's flaws, yet you do such shit likewise. So it would be better to just tell everybody what's going on and dont let people wonder in limbo. I guess its part of your job to inform the public.
And Sam dont credit such success "if you call it success" to CebuFA alone, as far as I know Mike Limpag has done a great job in promoting the sport as well, if you get what I mean.
Thats the problem with us Riscoh, all we see is the negative aspect of a person or an institution and we tend to forget acknowledge the positive aspect. To tell you the truth Riscoh, if not for this administration your San Roque Football Club will still be in the doldrums but because CEBUFA brought back the games in San Roque now you're back. Im not saying that you give all the credit to CEBUFA but at least you should acknowledge this aspect.
It is very easy to critize and give ready made solutions. But are we prepared to work? Or are we just up to blah-blah-blah and dont even bother to lay a finger.
Regarding the U14 tournament it is very clear that CEBUFA doesnt have the capacity to hold one because of financial difficulties. Can we lend a helping hand to CEBUFA in terms of finances? I will pledge P1,000.00.
What about you riscoh and ronaldo? Are you prepared to shell out some of your dough?
I have acknowledge what CebuFA has done "Do you want me to say it out loud", what I didnt like is that you guys dont address questions properly.
Nacorda you are right that we should work together to help CebuFA do their job better but the thing is does CebuFA want help? Especially coming from people which they didnt know.
And its good that you can pledge P1000.00, I hope you are true to your word. To tell you honestly Nacorda I tried to help CebuFA.... I didnt promise to give P1000 though.
I know you dont know me Nacorda so I dont mind if you question If I could spend a couple bucks. Someday will meet you'll know me..... I could get you drunk as often as you want... hehehheee
Nacorda, "I do before I say"... I tried to help CebuFA, Ive emailed Max about setting up a Website for you guys w/out any string attached and even offered to pay for the hosting fees, But I guess Maxi wasnt interested and doubted my intentions, so I didnt want to force the issue and just let it be.
Now if you ask me if I have done something ..... I cant say much coz I actually am here in Canada and cant do volunteer work for you guys, but I tried to help even if Im here miles away, as I have stated above. I also offered and helped SanRoqueFC setup the website. Now if you say that Im making money out of the Google ads you saw on the website.... im sorry to disappoint you, that only generated $9 as of the moment and dont worry my plan was to give it to the SanRoque FC if gets to $100 bucks. And If you want to know more..... please ask Totot
And for your question... Am I willing to shell out some....... I already have and its way over P1000. I really didnt want to mention this but you asked for it.
If you dont believe that I tried to contact Max about setting up a website for CebuFA... I can post the email Ive sent and Maxis reply.....
Nacorda, what have you contributed? may I/we know?
But I think it would be better to just do volunteer work than to give cash, Let the sponsors come in or do fund raising......
second, the national coach depended on CebuFA to notify all teams and coaches. he didn't contact the coaches personally because he trusted that CebuFA will do their job, not play favorites, and contact/invite everyone.
Carmona and Bono may be kababayans and acquantances. but even brother and sister doesn't know all the time what the other is doing unless the persons to whom responsibility to inform is thrust upon does their job. Carmona did not inform Bono because he trusted that CebuFA would tell not only him but all the other coaches. CebuFA didn't do the job they were intrusted to do. end of story.
third, why do i ask for proof of invitation ? because i contend that there was never one and you guys claim that there was. so, if CebuFA did invite all the teams, how was the invitation/information relayed to the coaches and teams. bottom-line is - the players were not able to try-out because they weren't invited by CebuFA. all i asked from you to convince me otherwise was proof that the team was invited since you insist you invited them. Hiroshi was invited, some came, others declined, they all pulled out. DBC wasn't invited nor notified - plain and simple, big difference there. nice try though for trying to group us with that issue.
fourth, DBC has no goalkeeper born 1992. don't make things up. the DBC goalkeeper for last year's RedRibbon P14 was born 1991, another one of those players who were ineligible for the PFF U14 try-outs. DBC's goalie qualified for the U14 was born 1993 and was the Palaro goalie.
fifth, i've given my opinion regarding the lack of funds and the need to have registration fees countless times. i have no objection if registration fees are required for tournaments. what you haven't answered is why you guys singled out P14 and decided that this particular division shall have no tournament this year. what the heck were you thinking when you made that choice. why P14 and not any of the others. why didn't you just simply divide the budget proportionally among all divisions. why leave out P14 ?
sixth, San Roque's community-based football program is an example worth copying. the community deserves all the credit for that. i don't recall any CebuFA board member being there and urging the community to cut the grass during the years football was dormant there. the community brought football back - not CebuFA.
seventh, read my proposals slowly and try to understand it. it's already posted here and i can't edit it anymore. i always point out that people, including myself, will help out IF we know where to help. but it all starts with CebuFA telling us the truth on why some things happened the way it happened, like this P14 ommission. all you guys are saying is a generic "help CebuFA" but won't tell us what they cannot do. you can't even present to us your development program that will take us from point A to point B. do you actually think that people will give you money without knowing how it is going to be used ?
criticism ? are you suggesting that we clap our hands and say "bravo, we have no P14 tournament". of course people will show/express their disapproval. we only have 3-5 full-size games for B12 above, are we supposed to shout "this is more than enough. we should be content with this and be grateful to CebuFA for giving us more than we actually need."
eighth and last, repeat number one - are you going to organize a P14 tournament this season ?
bai riscoh, unsay email add nimo ? naay message si warlo.
Since you talked about development program, heres my two cents worth. I dont think Cebu Football will need a development program because as what you have said and I agree with you that CEBUFA is a school based FA. The schools have its own sets of program and the coaches are too proud to ask help from the FA. I hate to say it but its the truth even yourself is biased towards your school. How many times in your posts that you mentioned that your schools program is working well enough. Can you afford to admit that the program youre using is not yours but someone else?
anyway, that's a pretty big statement you just made - cebufootball doesn't need a development program because it is school based. well, if that's the opinion of our football leaders then we should stop expecting anything progressive from you guys.
yes, cebufootball is predominantly schoolbased by default because the more established teams are schoolbased. but i also said, and you conveniently forgot to mention it, that we should develop cebufootball into a community-based situation, using the public school system (thru DepEd) to establish footballing communities centered around the facilities found in public schools.
the individual school football programs works for these schools because it was formulated for their respective system. did i say we should adopt a particular school program - no. i'm saying that we should develop a football development program that will broaden our mass base of players by using the public school PE programs thru DepED. that's a concept that will benefit the masses and not the private schools.
that's a pretty lame attempt of accusing me of proposing a school program and presenting it as my own. but then, CebuFA seems to have decided that cebufootball doesn't need a development program. i'm not surprised though. 4 years on the job and you guys still hasn't led us anywhere better.
by the way, have you found a way to tell us if you will be organizing a P14 tournament this season ?
Whoever suggested, made or supported this decision to skip these age levels should think again and honestly ask himself: if I have a son in the 1993 group (or 2 years younger than cut-off age) would I have made this decision? Wouldnt I feel this to be unfair and insensitive. If there is anyone among the CebuFA Officers and Board who has a son in the 1993 age group, I salute his/her selflessness.
that's what i can't figure out. CebuFA keeps saying "we need your help". the rahrah boys keep defending them by saying "stop criticizing and just help CebuFA". yet when someone offers to help, he's supposed to come home first to prove his sincerity. when people asks for the development program so they will know where they can serve best, they respond by saying "cebufootball doesn't need a development program".
oh well. time to order more beer.
players 15-20 lbs lighter, still-developing bones, and 4"-5" shorter, forced to play in an older, more physically and mentally mature division because they have nothing provided for them.
only in cebu and only with CebuFA. christ, we just gave the other FA's one more reason to laugh at us.
Yah, its funny "come home and show your sincerity........" Ill drink to that... tagay pa b.... Anyways Nacorda, I wont force the issue, "didnt want this to be an issue" the only reason why I posted it coz it seems like you question if I have done something helpful to CebuFootball... at least I tried.
Agree, with you Ronaldo/Roberto... soccer isnt like basketball, the moment you touch a player the ref happily blows the whistle... There's a lot of bangin' going on and its not good for kids to be playing way beyond there physical capabilities... No wonder why soccermom yells like crazy when their kid(s) gets whacked... coz they think its basketball and ref should have blown the whistle.........
And oh, I almost believed that it was CebuFA that revive SanRoque as what Nacorda has mentioned ..... thanks Ronaldo
c'mon, have you forgotten that this mess was your own doing ? were'nt you the ones who voted them into position and power because you guys were saying that they knew how to improve cebufootball ? so isn't it logical that you guys should be the first to administratively and financially help them out ? so why throw that burden on those who has no part in policy and decision making. is that your war-cry now - "let them do our work for us !!!"
a P10 team playing in the P12 division last year is further proof that you have no idea what football development is all about. all you provided the P10 division was the Aboitiz Festival and nothing else. again, if you can't form a competitive team, why scratch the entire division ? why let the other teams suffer ? the absence of a P10 tournament last year also received a lot of complaints, but all you guys did was do nothing. that's the CebuFA solution - let them play in older divisions ?
that's your tactic - provide a tournament for divisions where we are competitive and scratch those that you are not. geez, no wonder the other FA's keep saying "ka walay klaro dyud aning cebuFa."
just noticed that this thread has stretched to 58 kilometric comments long. and all that was asked was whether or not CebuFA will organize a P14 tournament this season.
a simple yes or no would have been enough. but the only responses we got ranged from the usual "just wait", then to the illogical "let them play in a higher division" and finally to the desperate "run for the presidency".
c'mon CebuFA/rahrah boys, are you unable to provide simple answers to straight-forward questions ?
no offense meant to the other P14 players and teams. this discussion is meant to provide ALL p14 teams and players a tournament of their own. just egging CebuFA and their rahrah boys for answers.
so again, why does this particular division doesn't have a tournament of their own. ?
if CebuFA is suggesting that ENTIRE P14 teams play in P15, then wouldn't it have been simplier to just provide them a tournament of their own ?
bumping players up is convenient only for clubs or teams who depends on younger players to fill up their line-ups. but what about football programs who have complete line-ups for each division. bumping players up will displace those in the higher division teams.
really, the best solution is to have a tournament for the P14. i don't think there needs to be a debate on that. question is - will CebuFA correct their mistake ?
Youre a joke ronaldo. The real reason why your p10 played in the p12 is that your coaches wanted them to. You dont place the blame on CEBUFA for that in fact it is the complaint of CEBUFA in one of their meetings why players this young are included in the line-up. It was emphasized by maximo, according to our coach, that the parents should be informed with regards to what age group their children are participating in. And it was given more emphasis with the submission of parents consent. The problem with you " kon kamoy llamado ok lang kon kamoy dehado daghang kyawkyaw."
no offense meant to the other P14 players and teams. this discussion is meant to provide ALL p14 teams and players a tournament of their own. just egging CebuFA and their rahrah boys for answers
What a complete turn around, ronaldo or youve chicken out because youre team is not competitive enough. Your statement may good for us smaller teams but what about, Hiroshi, Abellana, Springdale, Sacred Heart can you say that point blank?
those are facts of the matter. what you bring to the discussion is "maximo empasized that there should be parental consent." that's all you have ? don't you have a mind of your own or do you believe everything your coach or maximo tells you. no explanation on why P10 had no tournament for themselves ? don't you know that the best way to develop and improve skills is to have more tournaments and not just festivals ? if you don't, you sure have a shallow understanding of what player development is all about.
as for your second comment, it's diificult to get your point. anyway, the teams' ability to compete and how far the players has improved since last year will be gauged when we do have a P14 tournament, that's the important thing. again, you/CebuFA continue to skirt the issue. why won't you organize a P14 tournament ?
anything else coming from you aside confirmation of a P14 tournament means nothing.
If thats the case then its ok for players to play 2 years older than their age group. So whats the fuss? And do you expect U10 to play 11 a side because you said all they get is a festival type. Come on Ronaldo, you are contradicting yourself. in your previous posts way,way back you mentioned that 11 a side will start at U12 and up. Ano ba talaga, Kuya?
there's a big difference between tournaments and festivals for the P10. in festivals, games are only 12-15 minutes long, while tournaments are 20-30 minute games stretched over several days. in tournaments, teams get to analyze their plays, what went wrong and what went right. they make the necessary adjustments and preparations, scout the next team they will play against, and apply everything on the next game. these are things you cannot do on festivals.
anyway, also ask the CebuFA guy dictating to you if the will organize a P14 tournament this season.
Why should a good coach displace a 15 year old player in favor of a younger 14 or 13 year old player in his team? It doesnt make sense. Granting both the 15yr old and 14 or 13yr old have the same skill level, the coach would normally go a bigger, more mature player.
The correct move of the coach is to get all the 15 year olds he can recruit and if it still lack players, then consider the younger players (again, assuming that all players are of equal talent).
The reasoning Ronaldo gave is somewhat leading us to conclude that even though his son is only 13yrs old now, he can still bump off a 15yr old. Ang lakas mo siguro sa coach, ano. Sure ka na ba dyan?
Now, judge me if Im wrong. Do you think a development program from other source will prosper in a situation like yours when at U10 your applying tactics already?
Lets be fair to all. Please provide when and where this meeting was held. You are making so many sweeping statements, always putting down the CebuFA.
Its very clear all you do here in the blogspot is make CebuFA look bad. Pure and simple.
To the others, you can ask your respective coaches if there was a particular coaches meeting called by CebuFA where ALMOST ALL THE COACHES PROTESTED, as stated by Ronaldo. Then you will know who is telling the truth.
As what I understand, CebuFA is organizing a Boys-15 Cup as the qualifying event for next years 2007 PFF Regional Mens U-17 (Boys-16) Finals.
I dont think its all about field a competitive team or not and you get blown-off and pulling some strings.
As what I understand, CebuFA is organizing a Boys-15 Cup as the qualifying event for next years 2007 PFF Regional Mens U-17 (Boys-16) Finals.
I dont think its all about field a competitive team or not and you get blown-off and pulling some strings.
it was then announced that the CebuFA will reconsider the plan to have a P9 division until such time when the comments are considered. the meeting was adjourned with the understanding that the coaches will be notified if P9 will push thru.
on that meeting, CebuFA board members present were Maximo, Bretherton, Montesclaros, and Buot.
that's the incident i am refering to wherein majority of the coaches objected to having fewer games. that incident had nothing to do with the P14 issue today but was brought up to highlight a point made on this thread concerning the lesser number of games the teams has been playing.
as far as this year's P14 tournament is concerned, our coaches relayed the concern that there might be no P14 because earlier CebuFA announcements published in local papers did not contain a P14 tournament (this happened during the meeting before the Aboitiz Festival). a few days later, it appeared on the papers that there will be an Aboitiz P14 tournament. as a matter of fact, there is a thread in this blog wherein i praised CebuFA for holding a P14. a few weeks later, an announcement published in the papers stated several tournaments for age-groups but no P14 was mentioned. that's the root of this discussion. basically, we asked if there will be a P14, it was announced that there will be one, then a latter announcement stated that there will be none. all that were in the local papers.
as far as the B15 (born 1991) is concerned, i have no problem with that since it is the qualifying for next year's U17. so by 2007, the P15 boys will be turning 16, perfect for the U17 nationals. the discussion here concerns the absence of a P14 (born 1993-1994) tournament and nothing against the P15 tournament.
i asked only one single clarification - will there definitely be a P14 for this season. if none, due to financial constraints, then it should be announced as soon as possible since we still have enough time to organize one. i suggested teams paying registration fees to help defer the costs, but insisted an explanation on why P14 wasn't considered for a tournament all their own. P14 or the midget division has been with us since i can remember.
that in a nutshell is the core of the discussion. everything else is immaterial. let's focus on that.
other posters has been more unforgiving in their comments - saying things like boang, pangwartahay lang, etc. review my posts and you will never see me writing that these guys are thieves or retarded. i focus and comment on policies or the lack of it.
if you find my posts unworthy of this blog and does more harm than good to cebufootball then have Mike ban me from this site. Mike has done so with several posters and i won't take it against him if he does so with me.
cheers.
Ronaldo, again you are spreading wrong information here. There is NO National U17 tournament, never has been. Only up to a PFF regional level tourney for U17.
Please be responsible in your postings because it might create again another confusion.
To the others, you can always double-check his claims by directly contactting Phil Football Federation (PFF) since this is a PFF competition.
Double cheers
triple cheers.
No, I dont believe there will be a Boys-14 next year. But I respect your opinion. Here are the FACTS so far:
So far, CebuFA has been consistent as far as Boys-15 is concerned. Its a local qualifying event for next year's PFF Regl Mens U-17 (Boys-16). Boys-15 players are the 15, 14, 13 year olds.
CebuFA had organized the 2005 Aboitiz Boys-15 (1991) Cup leading to 2006 PFF Regl Mens U-17 (Boys-16). Players aged 13-15 years old were eligible to participate
This year, CebuFA will start the 2006 Aboitiz Boys-15 (1992) Cup this Nov 18 Sat. as preparation for 2007 PFF Regl Mens U-17 (Boys-16).
For sure, CebuFA will have the 2007 Aboitiz Boys-15 (1993) Cup for 2008 PFF Regl Mens U-17 (Boys-16)
Then the 2008 Boys-15 (1994) > 2009 PFF Regl U-17
Then the 2009 Boys-15 (1995) > 2010 PFF Regl U-17
The list goes on and on...
2005 Boys-15 is 1990
2006 Boys-15 is 1991
2007 Boys-15 is 1992
2008 Boys-15 is 1993
2009 Boys-15 is 1994
that's the way it has always been - P10 (mosquito), P12 (mini), B14 (midget), B15 (aspirants), then the U17 (juniors). B14, B15 and U17 (or B16) have 1 year gaps.
however, if we aren't gonna have a B14 this year, that means players born over a three year span (1991, 1992, and 1993) will have just the B15 tournament to play on. the physical, mental and skills gap between the eldest players (1991) and the youngest (1993) is to big to justify them being lumped into just one group. one other thing, the 1991, 1992, and 1993 born players are practically 2 age groups.
there simply are too many players for just one age group, aside from the fact that they may be looking at just 4-5 full sided games per team if the usual bracketing of teams is applied.
smaller clubs/schools may not feel it because they may have lesser players, but the more established schools/clubs has separate B15 and B14 teams, perhaps with 3-4 players playing in both divisions. of course, one option they may take is to field 2 teams in the tournament, their regular B15 squad and their regular B14 squad (perhaps for exposure or for the experience). but then if CebuFA does allow or encourage regular B14 squads to participate, wouldn't it be more logical if they'll just have a tournament of their own ?
again, there is no problem or issue as far as the B15 tournament is concerned. the issue remains the absence of a B14 tournament.
I hope youre not thinking of having a B14 tournament at this time. B15 is about to start and the more important tournament because its in the PFF calendar. Maybe B14 tournament can take a backseat at this time and wait until the right time comes. But if you insist on having B14 tournament at this time it is not logical because most of the clubs/school cant field line-ups competitive enough without sacrificing the other.
what CebuFA must do right now would be to inform the B14 coaches that either there will be a tournament on the planning board or there will be none. that will also give the coaches time to consider their options, either to wait for the B14 tournament or to field their B14 teams in the B15 tournament. if there are financial or other problems that is keeping B14 on hold, then they simply have to let the teams know so that a solution could be formulated with the help of the teams involved.